Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Rob MacKillop, Feb 16, 2019.

  1. Rob MacKillop

    Rob MacKillop Edinburgh Correspondent

    I bought a roll of b&w Cinestill film on learning that it was used in Woody Allen's Manhattan. I tried to put it in my Hexar, but the auto roll loader thing just wouldn't work, and there is no way to do it manually. So, I've loaded it into my Nikon FE instead.

    So, the question is, what makes some films able to load automatically and others not?

    I'm a bit disappointed I couldn't get it into the Hexar.
  2. Pete Askew

    Pete Askew Admin

    My guess is that the Hexar reads a DX code on the film case (the black and silver squares) to set ISO and if it doesn't see (feel?) one it doesn't know there is a film in. You can add a fake DX code to the case using some stickers etc, but you need to add the right pattern for the ISO sensitivity of the film.
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  3. Rense Haveman

    Rense Haveman Well-Known Member

    And another camera reacting to fake news. Bah!
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  4. Rob MacKillop

    Rob MacKillop Edinburgh Correspondent

    Oh, Pete, I thought you knew me better. Doing something with my hands other than playing guitar or pressing a camera shutter - unimaginable!
  5. Pete Askew

    Pete Askew Admin

    Ask Susan to do it for you! ;)
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  6. Rob MacKillop

    Rob MacKillop Edinburgh Correspondent

    Too close to the truth!
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  7. Rob MacKillop

    Rob MacKillop Edinburgh Correspondent

    Well, I got a very interesting response from Cinestill:

    "For the BWXX in auto advance/rewind cameras, there are two main issues. The first, and usually the most common, is early rewind due to the film's rigidity, since it is sturdier motion picture film. This rigidity causes the (usually) finely tuned take-up spool within the camera to feel extra tension that fools it into thinking it's reached the end of the roll, causing an early rewind. This same rigidity can cause the second, and usually uncommon, issue; the camera having difficulty grabbing onto the film when loading, which seems to be what you experienced here.

    Because of the film's unique quality, as well as the variables that differ camera-to-camera, there is no one remedy to this other than a few troubleshooting steps. For a common remedy, I would suggest making the film tongue more "grabbable" by slightly bending, but not creasing, the end to assist winding in the direction of the spool. Bringing the film tongue up to the red line on the Hexar take-up (a hair before the red "film tip" line is OK, but don't go past it), and then turn the take-up spool by hand until the sprocket catcher grabs a sprocket, then close the back. If the camera rejects it, simply keep trying until it takes. The Hexar has a tiny little nubbin of a sprocket catcher, which can be a little annoying to deal with sometimes. There's a chance your's may be a little worn out, and not as grabby, but that's unlikely

    It's not a very technically advanced solution, I know, but that's kind of the nature of some of these odd issues. As I'm sure you know, sometimes cameras just have their own quirks. To give you an idea, I've assisted a handful of customers who've experienced this, usually with automatic point and shoots, while at the same time I've never run into this problem myself, even while shooting a Hexar/BWXX combo."

    So, my nobbin is not grabby, and could be worn out. Well, I never! :eek::D
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  8. Pete Askew

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