I had an interesting conversation today with a chap about hifi who speaks of it as a means to an end ... i feel differently, i love the music that my hifi plays, but i also love the hifi its self I notice on this forum that we have a considerable weight in conversation toward images and image content and little about the cameras them selves... i have no issue with that as such ... i just wonder, if like me, like with my hobby for hifi, anyone else appreciates the equipment they use in equal measures to the hobby of actually taking the photos. I have a broad understanding of the workings of cameras, excluding large format kit which i have never even touched let alone tried to use, i would fairly confidently say that i would be able to take a photo with pretty much every camera made between 1900-2000 (i find some digital cameras overwhelmingly complex to function - including my own gf1 which i still struggle with a full year after buying it - although this is mostly down to laziness and under use - i use it as a carryaround snapshot camera more than anything else and know the essentials). I feel that knowing how to use cameras as a whole, and appreciating them for what they are is an important aspect of being a confident photographer ... as larry pointed out in another thread the other day, familiarity with your camera is very important in achieving the desired effect. i find it bizzare that friends of mine that have attended university to do photography have come out lacking some of the basics in how a camera works ... one friend in particular wasnt 100% sure what aperture is for. so yeah, who likes cameras as well as the taking photos, and if not, why not? have you not seen a voigtlander vito b ... tis a mechanical masterpiece!